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Bonaire Nature & Nature Organizations: Do Flamingos leave the island every morning?
Bonaire Talk: Bonaire Nature & Nature Organizations: Flamingos, Parrots, and other birds of Bonaire: Do Flamingos leave the island every morning?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By wmiller (BonaireTalker - Post #14) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 6:14 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi,
I have heard tat the flamingos will leave the island at sunrise, fly to Venezuela then return at night or something to that. Does anyone know if that is true? Since my flight on now comes in at 4:40 AM (I miss AJ!!) I thought I would head over there to see them take off. I have also heard they are quite noisy when the fly away. Some friends of ours will be arriving 3 days ahead of us and will pick us up at the airport then thought we would head south to watch the migration.

Thanks,
Wendy

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6400) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 9:16 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi, Wendy....not positive but I know some of them do come and go in the early evening/late afternoon and return in the early, early morning. We have seen them fly by on the road past the salt mounds towards the lighthouse at times. Lovely to see from the ground....the black underneath their wings really stand out that way. Carole

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By wmiller (BonaireTalker - Post #15) on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 9:29 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Carol,
Thanks for the info. I am definitely going to check this out. I think if would be fun to watch and get some great pictures of the flamingos.

Wendy

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Back in March (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #3533) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 1:59 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I think they overnight in Venezuela and fly back in the early morning, as Carol says we have seen them flying back in the early morning 7:00 to 8:00 am - ish.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jan Klos - ( Hamlet Bonaire #10) (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #600) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 3:37 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

I have also seen them fly in over Pink Beach late in the afternoon.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mickey McCarthy (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #512) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 3:53 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Well
I know that we have sat watching and waiting at sunset more than once at both Goto Meer and the salt pans and nothing happened. On the other hand we have seen a large flock fly past while driving along the road down south at sundown. Of course the camera was securely in the bag then.
Mick

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6407) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 5:44 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Mine, too, Mickey! LOL...I think they "know" when to fly and cameras are tucked away. LOL.

I don't recall who took this photo that I saved years ago (if you are out there, please let us know if you took this gorgeous shot!) of a flamingos flying overhead...just gorgeous. Carole

flying flamingos

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cheryl aka snorkelady is going back! (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #377) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 6:16 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Wendy, 2 years ago we were at the slave huts at day break and saw ~ 50 take flight from the salt ponds and head south over the sea. I promised myself that the next time I go to see them, I'll make sure to brace my camera as the winds were very strong and even though my camera was on a tripod the images were very blurry. It was a sight to behold and not to be missed. I hope you'll get to see them.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Burnham - Blennylips Bonaire (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #150) on Sunday, January 27, 2008 - 6:59 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Hi Carole, twas I who took that shot. It somehow did not make it from our old web site to the new one, but does appear in this video:

Why I Love Bonaire

We go south quite often to see them fly and always take our guests there. We park just south of the last slave huts (there is a paved spot there) and try to arrive just before 5:00pm. We've not figured out the timing, but some (from just a few to thirty or forty) usually fly by 6:00pm. We've only been shut out once or twice. If you are lucky, they will fly right overhead. When the sun is shining on them (as in that photo), its just heart stoppingly beautiful! They are the perfect color for a desert island.

This is a great occasion for a picnic and a bottle of wine!

Our friends down Belnem way have rescued more than one flamingo from the water...too tired to make it to shore on the way back from Venezuela in the morning.

Does anyone know why they expend so much energy in such a round trip flight? Its gotta be food or reproduction. Anyway, it's definitely on Bonaire's do not miss list!

Cheers,
Roger

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6409) on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 12:02 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Oh, Roger, I'm so glad you spotted your shot!! It is just beautiful and I also very concerned about posting it here without knowing who the artist was and without their permission/consent.

What a treat to watch your video again, too! Beautiful work, Roger, just beautiful.

I'll make a point of trying to shoot some pics this year....get settled in at the right time and place and wait...patiently wait...well worth it, tho.

Thanks again, Roger! Carole

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By michael gaynor (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2875) on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:01 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

I thought we had debunked this myth years ago, but it is not true that they fly daily to Ven. Yes, a few will make the trip and spend a few days feeding then return, but there are not gaggles, flocks, hoards, etc. of birds going back and forth on a daily basis to visit Sr. Chavez. It is just a bit of misinformation that has been perpetuated out of proportion like the statement that flaminogoes out number residents, another myth.

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6414) on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 6:58 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

You mean to tell me there are NOT more flamingos than humans on Bonaire? Oh my! LOL.

I guess we lucked out the time we saw them flying overhead. I'll probably "make" Joe go down there with me, anyway, "just in case"! LOL.

Wanna come, too, Michael? Might find some NY Bagels (no fruit), some Folgers and a NY Times down there, too! LOL. Perhaps some Melinda's XXX hot sauce? Yummo! cb

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Burnham - Blennylips Bonaire (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #151) on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 8:21 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Okay Michael, you've let yourself in for some gentle tweaking:-)


quote:

but it is not true that they fly daily to Ven.[sic]


Nobody claimed they (i.e. all) fly every night...the original poster asked if "they fly", if "they" means some, then by my random sampling, you are far more likely to see some fly than none.

But, I guess it depends on how you define gaggles, flocks, hoards, etc

Anyway, it would be useful if you provided some references for your debunkings:
  • How many residents are on Bonaire...now?,
  • How many flamingos are there here (and how long do they have to stay to qualify for residency)?,
  • How many at what frequency do fly to...where exactly?,
  • And why, at whatever frequency they do fly, do they fly?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Roger

PS:

quote:

to visit Sr. Chavez


Are you implying that our beloved flamingos are conspiring with that tin-pot dictator to the south? To what end?...references...references...

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Carole B. (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #6416) on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 8:37 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

Funny stuff, Rog! cb

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2678) on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:46 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

OK, how about references for the flights to/from Venezuela?

Roger's pic/video is pretty and, certainly, flamingos are seen in the air along the shores of Bonaire but...that is long way (intended!) from proof that ANY flamingos fly to Ven., let alone that it is a regular thing by any number of them.

So, Roger, references, please!! :–))

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Burnham - Blennylips Bonaire (Experienced BonaireTalker - Post #152) on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 9:56 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

<google-fu>
Here's Mike's source (tho he left off the critical place), #1 in search


quote:

Contrary to popular belief, they are not all flying off to Venezuela, although some undoubtedly will reach the South American coast.


No sources here...Jerry Ligon's article later in that page makes no mention of any flights...

Then there is Caribbean Flamingos Feeding at a New Solar Saltworks in Western Venezuela by Clark L. Casler, Elsie E. Este

quote:

At the Los Olivitos saltworks, 6-8% of the total flamingo population in Venezuela and Bonaire may feed there on any given day.


...sounds like we're at least approaching a gaggle from what appears to be a real scientific paper.

In geographia.com's The Birds of Bonaire, we find:

quote:

After about three months, the chick will be able make the 90 kilometer flight to Venezuela, a trip the flamingoes make when food on Bonaire becomes scarce.


Sadly, no original sources here either, but further googling shows that this comes from STINAPA, or vice versa.

Then Bonaire Nature offers:

quote:

They fly between Bonaire and Venezuela where the most feeding grounds are.


No sources, but we're approaching a popular consensus...

Skyviews rounds out the results from google's first 10:

quote:

Bonaire has the largest natural flamingo sanctuary in the Western Hemisphere. There are 7,000 of them at any one time on Bonaire and a number of them come, every day, from the Venezuelan mainland some 100 kilometers away in order to breed and tend to their young



So yes, it appears we do have more people than flamingos.

But here's the point: Some flamingos do fly to/from Bonaire most days and it is a beautiful phenomenon that you cannot see in many other places in the world. The questions of whether they just make a circle and sneak back, or actually make the 90 to 100 kilometer(!) one-way trip, and why they do it just adds interest!
</google-fu>

Its about time Jerry pipes up with the facts.

Roger

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By wmiller (BonaireTalker - Post #16) on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 11:11 am:     Edit PostPrint Post

Wow, I didn't mean to stir such a debate!! I just threw in Venezuela because I had heard that. But more importantly I thought I would go see them leave since I am arriving so early if it were true.

Thanks for the insight and information.

Wendy

 

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Glen Reem (Supreme BonaireTalker - Post #2679) on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 2:29 pm:     Edit PostPrint Post

That's ok, Wendy. You stimulated at least Roger and me to some action! Really a small debate and all to the good.

TKS, Roger. As you said in different words, all the entries (first four pages) are anecdotal except perhaps the JSTOR papers that are unavailable here. It would be interesting to know numbers from science. As you said, maybe Jerry will chime in.

I believe you and Michael are in agreement that some flamingos do fly between B & V and that the fun is watching them flying near Bonaire but there is no 'mass flight daily'. :–))

 


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