While we were sleeping (Plaza Resort), someone gained entrance and stole my dive watch, some money, text removed by moderators. Later at the police station, text removed by moderators The resort manager was not at all compassionate and acted as if this were commonplace; the police perfunctorily took our report. I cannot believe that all three of us left our doors unlocked. text removed by moderators Yet nary a word about room security was contained in the information packet that every guest receives upon registering. Because this happened on the second night of a two-week visit, we had a lot of time to ask questions. text removed by moderators Vehicle rental agencies now warn shore divers to leave vehicles unlocked with windows down. Shades of St. Croix and Jamaica! Your readers deserve to know these facts and decide for themselves whether they dare to visit your otherwise lovely island. text removed by moderators The Bonaire police are a joke, as are the "security officers" at the Plaza Resort. We had to open the rear "security gate" ourselves on two occasions because the "security guard" supposedly on duty was nowhere to be seen. One night the front gates were wide open with no guard in sight. text removed by moderators Now I understand why the Plaza Resort "security guards" told us that the police would not come to investigate..text removed by moderators

This was my thirteenth and last visit to this crime-ridden island. When I got home I e-mailed the bad news to a friend in another state who sometimes makes this trip with me. text removed by moderators The same dive shop
owner told me that one of his customers was offered free use of a condo on Aruba. The owner said that it didn't matter when he used it because the owner "never goes there" anymore because of the crime and doesn't try to sell it because the crime has reduced its value. Sadly, the "ABC Islands" have become the "Another Bleepin' Crime" Islands.

I get the impression that we tourists don't matter all that much. We'll be gone in a week or two, leaving our money behind, and a new crop of victims will fly in. Everything gets swept under the rug and it's business as usual. Well, somebody is forgetting that it is our tourist dollars that are keeping virtually every business on the island afloat. Why do the businessmen/women not exert influence upon their government to clean up what has to be a fairly small crime ring?

And I wonder where all these stolen goods are going on such a small island with a population of only 10k. Do immoral Bonairean parents turn a complicit blind eye to iPods that their children mysteriously acquire? Did my watch take take the banana boat to Venezuela for fencing? Why do the decent citizens stand for such an inept police force?

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You left the doors UNLOCKED???? i would say you asked for it then. This sounds like a very similar post that i have read several times posted in different areas including here. Are you the author of all the others?? There sure is a lot of here say in it.. and they really like IPODS. All i have to say. I think you need to rethink your story before you post.

We arrive on Bonaire on Sat and this is making me a little nervous. Is this commonplace for all resorts? Do you have to lock everything in your safe before going to bed just in case someone comes into your room? Please re-assure me. We are staying at Eden Beach for 2 weeks and I haven't heard of anything happening there? Anyone know of anything we should be concerned with.

Bev, as many other who post here will tell you, I have been to Bonaire 22 times since 1986 and have never been a victim of a crime. Please don't over react. I have always felt safe, just use common sense and be aware of your surroundings. If something doesn't look or feel right, it probably isn't. Bonaire is a wonderful island with many loving people but unfortunately there is no such thing as a perfect place. I am not donwplaying the crimes and truly feel sorry for the victims but so many of us visit with nary a problem. Lock your doors and take the same precautions you would at home. Don't let the beautiful surroundings lull you into thinking it's ok to be careless. You will love Bonaire and hope this helps make you feel a little more comfortable. I have even travelled alone to Bonaire and never had any issues. If you have any specific questions please e-mail me.

Agreed with Rosanne. There is a post like this one that started this thread that comes up all the time. It is just to try to scare people. Sounds like the same basic thing. Bonaire is a great place. Just take the same precautions as you would at home and everything will be fine.

Thanks, that's what we were thinking. We have been to Jamaica, Belize (many times), Mexico and other places and used our heads and watched where we were and what we did, and have been fine. We're not careless people. We will not lock car doors, but DO lock room doors and hopefully will have a great time. Looking forward to this trip so much. Can't wait to get there.
Thanks again.

Bev, Rosanne and Aaron are right on. But I would add that YES YES YES you should lock all you can fit into your room safe, especially passports, money, and any other valuables you cannot live without.

I have been to Bonaire 8 or 9 times, no crime for me either. [knock wood, I am going next week].

Stay safe, and enjoy Bonaire and all it has to offer. Please don't let this ruin your trip. But if it has made you more aware, then the first post wasn't all for naught.

I agree with you on this Aaron. I thought there was something familiar about this post. We have 8 trips to Bonaire and never a victim of crime. Follow the anti crime rules posted over and over again here on Bonaire Talk and you should be fine.

I believe that what Mr. Serafine was saying was not that he left his door unlocked. He was saying that it is impossible or improbable that all three parties who were victims left their doors unlocked. I think he was probably commenting on the implications the police made - that the victims "asked for it", just as one writer did here.

I think it's a little uncool to accuse people of trying to scare others. What do they have to gain? Clearly, this man is upset, and with good reason. From what I've read here, there does seem to be a growing crime problem in Bonaire, and little is being done about it by authorities.

That being said, I've lived in the Chicago and Oakland and feel both of those places are almost certainly less safe than Bonaire. And I agree that everyone needs to take the proper precautions. But these continual stories beg the question whether there is some complicity by the police or hotel managers. And this is, and should be, a serious concern for travelers to Bonaire.

The idea of a criminal in your room while you sleep is extremely frightening, wherever you may be.... so let's not make light of this post or its contributor.

I went back and found an old post on what appears to be this same incident. That post appears to be authored by the person who allegedly had the Dive computer stolen. That thread was shut down by the moderators because they had not received a police report. Is it safe to assume a police report has now been submitted to the moderators thereby validating this post? Mods?

We're going to need to see a police report right?

I have read about six different versions of this story on different boards for quite a while. It just seems really funny if you ask me. Also if you look at his profile it has again one total post only, similar to all the other threads He joined put up this story and was never heard from again when called out on it. To me after seeing this i really think it is bogus. May be i am wrong but do some surfing on other travel board and scuba message boards and you will find almost the exact same story. If he is trying to bring awareness then there is a right way to do it.

Been here 5 days now, no crime, except a warm beer at stop 4 pizza. Even doing a test. Found a snorkel inside the hooker deep by the batteries. it has been in the bed of the truck for 11 dives, 4 days, no one has taken it. I doubt that would be the same on Van island back home. But we do look our hotel door at night, Sanddollar. have fun guys and dive! no snow for me til Sunday.

Have fun Rob dive safe, wish i was there with you right now. 12 degrees and snowing here. only a few more months to go till we are there for a couple weeks. Let us know how your test turns out.

I have had stuff taken from out truck and yes I did go to the police station. They could stop crime if the police did care to. One of the shop owners said she should call friends who would be more helpful than the police. My suggestion is that the trucks come with lock boxes like construction trucks. Renters could use their own locks and stop a lot of the crime at dive sites. Nobody is "asking for it". We all hate it and it is a real problem and it should be stopped. We have had stuff taken from cars in Hawaii also. We just won't take stuff and leave it out. We always leave the windows down. I'm surprised that Bonaire locals don't find a way to stop the problem.

Bev...I was just at Eden Beach. You will love the staff there. Just be sure to use your safe whenever you leave your room, leave nothing in your truck, and always leave the truck windows rolled down. Four trips and I have lost only two things: a bottle of sunblock and a pair of paint stained shorts. I use more caution than at home, but I live in a good community with a great community watch group (everything gets reported - maybe too great). However, I use less caution on Bonaire than when I am in New York, Chicago or Rome. How's that for a comparison? Enjoy your trip!

Take er easy, Bev
Eden is a wonderful place. I've stayed there three times and have never had any problems, nor have I heard of anyone else having a problem there. I've been too lazy at times to haul my gear out of the truck when I am there for tanks or food during the day and nothing has come up missing(knock on wood). Grab Bart and give him a big hug from Smack

Whenever I read a posting like this from someone who has never posted before and has a moniker like "paradiselost" frankly I'm suspicious. Ron; you're going to compare Bonaire with St Croix or Jamaica regarding crime? C'mon now, I lived on St Croix (owned down there for 6 years) & also spent time on Jamaica, ABSOLUTELY no comparison to Bonaire. I will ask you however, what's your REAL agenda with your posting?

Well said. I have stayed at the Plaza twice. On the old post I refer to above, I told the author I was curious as to how the thieves gained entry. When the poster failed to respond, the story lost credibility with me. I find it strange that on that thread and now on this thread, the posters are failing to respond to what are clearly challenges to their authenticity.

Also understand

The police are in a difficult situation. A lot of times they know who the #.*/@! are but can't move on them because lack of evidence. Even to pick them up they need more than hear say or a suspicion. And even on this small island things disappear fast and nobody knows where they went.
Some years back there was a lot less crime. Those times the police would beat the living daylights out of the "suspect" and would be able to solve the crime. I've lived on Bonaire for 45 years and have seen a lot of changes. In all those years once stuff got stolen out of my car and 2 times my house got broken in to during day time when there was nobody home. And both times this was my own fault because i left a window open. Still i sleep good at night with all my windows open and have no problems.
I do understand the victim's viewpoint. Sometimes it looks like the police don't care but a lot of times it is a lack of understanding the victim. The police (everywhere in the world) go trough this on a regular base. They've seen it, heard it and for them it's just another case to work on. For the victim this is hard to understand because it touches them. For a victim a crime can't be solved fast enough and want's the whole police force to work on their case.

Bev (especially) - You are going to have the dive trip of your life. Use normal cautions and have a great time on dear Bonaire. 9th trip coming up in May (all our trips have been in the last 4 years and all we've "lost" are a pair of sunglasses left in the unlocked truck downtown when the streets were crowded with Regatta Week festivities - duhh. Best shore diving in the Caribbean... good people (for the most part, great food, excellent windsurfing, cool bird life, perfect weather - you'll love it.

Well, Well, Well, Ronald is really making some noise! The above post reads like an article in the weekly newsletter my Local Dive Shop sends out. It read like it was a published letter to the editor of "Scuba Diving" magazine. But I don't think it was published in "Scuba Diving"

I am very disappointed in my LDS. I think it is weird for them to bash Bonaire in the newsletter as a travel destination when they continue to offer special deals to Capt Dons, Den Laman and Plaza resort via their web site.

The travel offer they push right now in their weekly newsletter is a trip to China. NO DIVING.

I will send the moderators a copy of my LDS newsletter and let them decide if it can be posted.

Btw, I don't think you can access their weekly newsletters via their web site.

Yes, crime does happen on Bonaire. I have been a victim 3 times since June 2000. And yes, a report was given to the police each time. I still continue to plan trips to Bonaire. I DO NOT have rose colored glasses on when it comes to Bonaire.

Has there ever been anything collectively done by resorts/rental car companies and stores? It is a problem that we all put up with that could have some changes if local businesses addressed it. They could do this with or without the support of the police.

I also have to add that the police report sent to us for this post was filed in November 2006. There were arrests made a few weeks ago busting up a big crime ring. Once I find the thread, we will post a link here.

BTW, the original post is exactly the text that was in the LDS newsletter Yana sent to us.

I just returned from Bon myself, and we had no problems at all. We had things lying all around our truck, again nothing of any value, but shirts, hats, small cooler with food and water and beverages. No problems at any sites, or at anytime for that matter. Again, all things we didn't really care about getting taken if it happened, but we had no problems whatsoever. We even accidently left one of our Mosquito Dive computers laying on the seat of the truck with all the windows down - oops on our part - but it was still sitting there when we returned from our dive. We were fortunate on that one!! Bev, have a wonderful trip - you'll love it!!!

four more dives and the snorkel is still there. We have added a pair of sunglasses found at Salt city. they sit on the dash, open windows, and they are still there. Only 2 more days of thief testing left.

Last time I went, I actually left a ball cap I hate on the back seat for days...hoping I would not have to bring it home...I had to bring it home along with my "dive kit" (holds swimmer's ear, mask defog, comb, and jellyfish sting stuff), old shorts, flip flops, and my "lucky" ball cap. Oh, I also left frozen water bottles and the hotel towels in the truck 24/7...they were there every time

We have stayed at the Plaza on two occasions and have just booked our third visit. We have not experienced any problem with criminal activity. I suppose it is inevitable...where there are people, there will be crime. With this in mind, we do lock our doors, dead bolt the slider, and keep our few valuable things within our sight while on a beach or in town. I lost a HP M407 digital camera in January this year...not a criminal event, but an oversight on my part. I think I left it on the beach (on a rock) in front of the Yellow Submarine dive shop while helping my 5 year old daughter out of the water. No doubt in my mind that I left it somewhere. I am accountable for my failure to properly secure my property. No point in blaming anyone else.

We have been to Bonaire three times (yes I know "just rookies") and the only thing we have had taken was gasoline sucked out of our trucks tank at night (twice). I solved that by parking in the same spot afterwards so the marks on the road made it look like someone had already gotten to the truck. Next time I may take a small can and spill it under the gas tank so the thieves will think someone else got there first.

I live in St. Thomas and we see millions of tourists come through our island. Many of them seem to put their brains on vacation while their body is on vacation. They go and do things that if they were at home they would never dream of doing. Why were you walking in the projects at two a.m.?

Boanire is no worse than any other place, but the diving is alot better. Pay attention to your surroundings, don't leave things out in the open and have fun.

A few points -

People are stealing gas from people's gas tanks! There is a problem here.

Why are people so ready to blame the victim? It almost seems like most people are saying they're careful - with the implication that the victims of crime were not.

And as many seem sure this original post is bogus: If someone is simply fearmongering, what on earth would that person have to gain....?

I had some lovely clients go to Onima last week. They left bags with valuables in the open truck as they walked around for 10 min. Guess what....yup...they knew it was their mistake but it dampered the fun. Please use common sense. We want you to have a LOVELY time in Bonaire.

A few counter points -

Noone is saying there isn't a problem. What are we supposed to do, join the Bonaire Police Force and apprehend these people ourselves? Constantly repeating that there is a problem on a website doesn't change a whole lot. Taking action does - There are two choices: Follow the anti crime rules posted over and over again here on Bonaire Talk and put the odds in your favor of not becoming a victim or don't go to Bonaire.

I don't think anyone actually intends to blame the victim - but in fact, finds it frustrating when it is revealed that the victim has done something totally lacking in common sense like leaving the door unlocked all night. Do people do that here in the states? I don't. Why is Bonaire being held to a different standard?

People post Bogus stuff on the internet all the time. The reason is not relevant. The fact is they do it. A business's reputation is at stake when posts like this one are put on Bonaire Talk. Based on that, it is right to question these posts in an attempt to determine their authenticity without a shadow of the doubt even if that means provoking the poster into defending his post thereby adding weight to the possibility that the post is accurate; otherwise, a Police Report locks it in as authentic (good job mods).

No offense intended - just my opinion.

I think those who appear to be holding Bonaire to a "higher standard" are just expressing their frustration at the apparent lack of serious efforts to solve the problem. This petty crime is not a recent thing. Since there appears to little or no serious crime (murders, robberys, etc) it would seem the authorities would have time to run a few "sting" operations to catch those responsible for the thefts, especially since tourism is so vital to the local economy.

We will soon be arriving for our sixth visit to Bonaire and luckily the only theft we have experienced so far was the loss of a couple candy bars from our truck. We were however the victims of a hit and run while parked downtown in a very busy location with many witnesses around and all the police did was take a report. It was hard to believe that the driver of the other vehicle could not be found on such a small island, especially when there were witnesses.

While I don't think we have to be totally paranoid about the petty crime, I don't think we should be silent about it or the apparent lack of effort to control it.

One problem may be the lack of a facility to contain petty thieves after they are apprehended. Without such, even if caught,they are pretty much turned back to the streets. Correct me if I am wrong on this.

There is an interesting editorial in this weeks Bonaire Reporter, in regard to what to do about crime.

Cynde, #62, unmarried woman living alone should get married???????

Here we are again talking about crime. I've been to Bonaire 8 time now and plan on returning many more, but I am very diapointed in the turn that crime seems to be happening. I have always been carefull and locked the room. I have never felt unsafe untill this year.text removed by moderators. Please see link in first post in regard to hearsay. Stating something was in the paper does not comply with our posting policies. if you have a link to the news item, please feel free to post that Use a safe if you have one. Don't leave items in veiw from your windows either. text removed by moderators

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I am going with suggestion # 63 in the reporter..
"GET BIGGER DOGS"...
In fact I'm going to go one better & bring my dog down there who will be the biggest ; meanest dog
on the whole island!! Grrrrrrrrr

And guess who will be guarding my jeep while we're underwater!! That's the way you do it..

What happens on a small island when vehicles get stolen?? Where do they end up? Is there a chop-shop autoparts blackmarket? Just curious

I've a question for locals or anyone who can answer. Say a thief is caught burglarizing a locals house or a rental, then convicted. What is next? Is jail even an option? Is there any meaningful punishment? I realize major differences in American and Dutch laws, but "all carrot, no stick" may be part of what seems to be an on-going problem. Your thoughts welcome.

Hi Guys and Gals! I am on Bonaire right now and having no problems whatsoever. I am using common sense here in regards to crime as always when on island and having a BLAST! Meeting lots of BT'rs and enjoying life here. Enjoy your trip. Bonaire is truly a gem in MHO

Debbie...Ah...La Dolce Vita
We're on the red eye tonight out of Newark.
Today's task is taking Buffy our Rhodesian Rideback to the Googie Spa

Ron, convicted burglars (and other offenders)get a free vacation on Bonaire or Curacao in a very special facility !
What did you think we are doing, sending them the Sonesta in St.Thomas ????

In the states what is the average jail time for petty theft. Take of 50% for first time offenders and you get what they get here. A paid vacation to koraalspecht and after that their back in town. There is a drug addict "P" who's been in and out of prison and rehab for as long as i live on the island. He comes out, goes at it again and they lock him up again for a couple of months. At the moment he's locked up so he's not behind the crime wave. But in the long run it is no solution.

As to stolen cars; If (once in the blue moon)a car is stolen it is most of the time found the next day. The cars are taken on a joy ride and left after that. Sometime's their striped of parts but that hardly ever happens. Motorcycles on the other hand are stolen more often and chopped up. Their much easier to hide and harder to trace.

I hate to sit and listen without commenting, but I have done well up to this point. Please consider all things before reacting. I have been returning to Bonaire twice a year for 15 years. The crime has got worse. We always lost a pair of flip flops or a T-Shirt on about every trip and always thougt it was the teenagers and never really worried about it. We have also lost a soft cooler full of drinks and snacks, But we are talking about a whole different problem here. I have heard comments on here about using common sense and refer to what we do in the states. When I am at home I don't leave the windows down in my car to keep someone from breaking out the glass. I don't have to put all my valuables in a safe to go to the store. I love Bonaire but the problem has grown and needs to be addressed. We as tourist are not there enough to challenge the problem so we depend on the people that invite us there to their beautiful island to try to controll it but it seems that it is passed on to us as to be our lack of education. I can remember staying at Belmar when the staff would suggest that we leave the doors open to let the trade winds blow through our unit to help it be more comfortable. Please quit blameing the good people who help support your beautiful island and address the problem. We do ask for these intrusions nor do we provoke them.Do I love your island, yes and choose it to get married on last September. I know I will get blasted for posting this and as always be blamed for being careless but in every crime there is a victim and I find it hard to believe that anyone who has encountered it by the theft on thier possessions have asked for it....Please take time to think about this before you attack.

Well said, Wayne. I think you're making a point that I've also been trying to make - that whitewashing the problem won't make it go away.

I'm glad so many people have gotten involved in this discussion. It will hopefully raise awareness of both locals and tourists.

I would just like to point out to some that this is not the first thread about Crime on Bonaire.. actually it is getting rather redundant and tiring.. If you want to read more about it try doing a keyword search.. You will see that it is indeed in the thoughts of tourists as well as the locals.. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone would do searches before they posted redundant things ??..!!!!~~~~~

Before accusing the locals are doing nothing some of you should surely read the other crime threads ... and than also go to local item - Bonaire joining Europe - I posted a link there about the new status of Bonaire as an overseas municipality of Holland and the money Holland is putting aside for Bonaire - and as said often before, nothing will change before that does not go into effect, Curacao will not send better and more police men to Bonaire. Reading some postings, one could get the idea some of you think that locals like burglars or that burglars are only getting the tourists ...........

Agreed Brigitte, Thank you for speaking up on this subject as a local... SEARCH people before you post!!!!!

Umm, if you're bored by a thread on a board like this, don't waste time reading it.

It's obvious this topic is a heated one, but I hope that islanders don't feel blamed, nor should travelers. The blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the criminals. And secondarily, with authorities who don't seem too concerned .....

I have read the threads on this site for but it seems that all we find in answers from the locals is to get a education on how to protect yourself and how could we be so careless. Seems that we go to Bonaire to be on vacation not be on alert....We are not blind to the fact that the locals are not happy with this situation but don't blame the divers for the crimes committed there. We are visitors as I stated before, We come and we go but you are there to make a difference as I try to do where I live..Also not talking about it here as many try to oppose doing' what good does it do to pretend it doesn't happen. WE KNOW THAT YOU AS LOCALS DON'T LIKE IT BUT DON'T BE OFFENDED WHEN IT IS DISCUSSED HERE SO OTHER CAN HAVE THEIR OPINON....Oh yeah, we do have an opinon in the USA.oH BY THE WAY THERE ARE SUCH THINGS AS CRIME WATCH GROUPS...WE HAVE THEM HERE...And just another little Question I have always wondered. I have raised 2 children here in the States
which is a little bigger than Bonaire and I have always been able to keep up with their activities. Based on the limited jobs on Bonaire it would seem to be easy to see a better cash flow in the home unless they had aquired a better job. And how hard is it to keep up with family, friends even children based on the limited space they could be...Hey, but what would I know I hardly know how to lock my doors and roll down my windows.

Thank you for saying that Carol I am sure all that read this board understand your two last sentences...
as to being bored, I have read the 443 PAGES on crime..that is my responsibility to be up to date with all the posts .. I read every post that comes to my computer. The crime issues have all be hashed and rehashed and if only people would do searches before they post redundancies we would all be thankful..
Travelers should be informed Yes , they can be by reading the archives before posting.. Locals ARE informed and they don't like the bad press as it hurts their economy. Bonaire Talk is caught between a rock and a hard place. Our posting policies are instituted for those very reasons to be fair to everyone...No hearsay allowed.....no libeling, no name calling etc here are the posting policies for all to see yet again.. posting policies

Wayne please remember that Bonaire is not USA...and no matter how much we want to compare them we really cannot do that...USA has no say in their government or police force at all.. We are visitors in THEIR country.. And it is not up to us to judge the way they watch their children.

Freddie, Thanks for your comment and I un derstand perfectly what you are trying to say but I require the same respect and don't like to be told how stupid we are, as is represented in the posts, as though it is our fault. Lets be real, Do we depend totally on the law inforcement to take care of all our problems or do we as a group sometimes join in an effort to help stop a problem we might have....My apologies if I have offended anyone...Oh, Can't help myself. Just a suggestion....A random road block at different areas might stop some of the dive site problems..Salt Pier-Karpata etc.

Wayne, the answers how to protect yourself etc on BT are NOT coming from the locals - just have a look at the profiles, I think on this thread here I am the only local one. And yes, absolutely, you have a right to your opnion. But before you do voice this opinion, it would just be fair to get informed first. You know, we do have an opinion on Bonaire too, that is not restricted to the US .. and we voiced it loud and clear quite a number of times - protest march of about 7.000 people (of 12.000 inhabitants), political referendum etc - and that is why we will be in the future an overseas municipality of The Netherlands ... quite a number of threads under local items about this subject too, just read it .........

Wayne to see peoples profile you just click on their names on top of their posts..Most have stated where they live..

Freddie, sorry you had to spend yet ANOTHER day rehashing this subject(I mean that sincerely)!I was going to stay out of this but....People, no-one is trying to white wash anything! And any person with even a small grasp on reality understands crime exists EVERYWHERE. The point is this has been gone over many times with the same stories surfacing. Brigitte lends a voice of reason from a person who deals with the situation every single day. None of us like to hear about the crime but I do believe steps are being taken to improve the situation. And when we travel, it's important to be alert to our surroundings. And as for the comment about how hard it is to know whats going on with family/friends/neighbors/kids, get a grip, it's damn hard these days no matter where you are! And I'm going to say it...If you think that poorly of Bonaire and the people who inhabit it find someplace else to go and then get back to us on how safe you felt and how local police/government is performing there. I travel extensively and know what exists in many cities/countries and let me tell you, it isn't pretty. 'nuff said, carry on.....

For those of us who have no grasp on reality Rosanne, would you please tell us what steps are being taken to take care of the problem as you stated. You seem to know the measures that are in process. Not past treads please, your personal opinon please.

Brigitte has posted that right now, things are in a sort of limbo as the current situation has Curacao responsible for providing funds and police for Bonaire, and that isn't happening, especially since Bonaire is about to become an overseas municipality of the Netherlands.

For all the b****ing and moaning from visitors about crime on Bonaire, I'm pretty sure that it's been locals who have borne the brunt of the most violent crimes to have occurred there.

It's insulting to the people of Bonaire to insinuate that they don't care, especially given that many of them have also been victims, and of the most violent crimes to have occurred.

If you bother to read any of the archives, you'll find a lot of information about this.

Well said Rosanne and Susan.

No matter where I go if I am the victim of a crime, of any sort, from having stuff stolen while I am diving to having my room broken into, that will be the first thing I tell people when they ask me how my vaction was. And it may very well spoil my trip and my memories of my trip and desire to go back to that spot, no matter how wonderful. That is human nature, I think.

When I tell people I am going to Bonaire and I start telling them about the wonderful shore diving, how we can dive all we want, no boat required, before I am done I have gotten into how we can't leave anything in the truck, the precautions we take...etc. I don't mean to go into all that but it is part of diving on Bonaire. I have to say most people I have talked to won't be booking a trip.
NO ONE is happy about the crime on Bonaire except the people making money from it. NO, it will not keep me from coming back, at least not yet, but not talking about it here, won't help. If we all just searched the board before we posted there would be nothing left to post about. Saying mean things to me here won't help, yes, I might not post again but does that really help? What will help? I don't know. I loved the pink bus. One dive a day with no worries, a place to leave your stuff, goodies between dives. I know it didn't pay for itself but it sure paid in good will!! Bring back the pink bus or something like it. It was a great idea that just needed some cooperation and support from the government. Make tourists feel safe, what a concept.

It is sad that before every dive is...what can we take, can't take that, can we take lunch, no, shoes, no, something to wear into town between dives, no, money, no, camera, no, do we have too much gas? Then when we surface and right after we say how wonderful it was we look for the truck and see if everything is ok. This is the price for diving on Bonaire. Then back to your room, is it ok? A nagging anxiety, are we being careful, is everything locked, did you close the safe? Goodness, that doesn't sound like a vacation. Please watch my truck next week while I am diving, I would love to relax and enjoy the ride. ;}

Speaking strictly for myself, I just don't find following the common sense anti crime rules posted on Bonaire Talk over and over again to be all that big a deal. It doesn't make me sad and I have no feelings of fear or trepidation while on Bonaire. In 8 trips the last 6 years we have followed these rules and have never been a victim of theft. After reading all these crime posts for the last 6 years you'd think I'd be terrified but I'm not. 207 Days and a wakeup!

It's amazing how Ronalds' post has sparked such a debate, and he's no where to be found. HMMMM Anyway, Wayne, my comment about not having a grasp on reality was to state that to think a perfect place exists without any crime would unfortunately make you extremely naive and uninformed. I am perplexed to think you and several others feel so strongly about the fact that crime exists and is not being controlled and you feel unsafe and stressed out that you would continue to visit such a place. We all see the world through very different eyes, and each of us are entitled to our opinions but when posts become redundant with no new information it creates a very frustrating situation. If you read back to my previous posts about this topic you will see my opinion. And quite frankly we are dealing with a situation that needs factual information not opinion, not heresay, not somebody got pissed because their vacation didn't turn out quite like they had planned and are going to bash Bonaire. I hope if and when you return to Bonaire you have a pleasant, no incident holiday, and if not I'm sure we'll here about it here. Safe travels to all....

Rosanne as you can see from my number of posts that I clearly complain all the time and I really like the way you walk around the question that was clearly asked you but I fiqured that would be the case. But as you can read above there are others who feel the same way. AS FOR Ronald I don't see that it was relevant in your answer. Why does it always seem to everyone that concern about crime there is an attack on the people of Bonaire. We are all aware that there are bad people everywhere but what is strange is that on such a small island with a small population that there seems to be a case of looking the other way. Maybe it is fear of the recoarse they may encounter or threat to their well being from those involved. Who knows but there is no way that it can go on without someones knowledge. If it is fear, I feel it likely is, then I truely feel concern for the citizens. Living with that feeling even in paradise has to hurt. Again if I have in any way insulted these islanders then I truely apologize. It was not my intent. We could go in circles about this forever. Yes we have had hundreds of dollars stolen from our group in the form of equipment over the years we have been traveling to Bonaire. Around 15 years. Yes we love the island. Yes we are coming back. But all this does not attack the people of Bonaire but rather the continual rise in crime and the people there not being able to control it. I understand that they have a understaffed police Dept. and I as I stated before there may be fear in any type of help that the police may ask for. I know as you stated that there is not a perfect place to be found with no crime but when someone expresses there concern on BT it should not be accepted as an attack. I myself have grown to see the crimes go from t-shirts and flip flops to what you read on these threads today. How can you ignore it. I think anyone who as traveled to Bonaire and enjoyed it's beautiful diving are justified in being concerned. Maybe you should understand their concern to be their love for the island as a place that they have great memories, rather than a attack on the people.

I know that some people have felt this thread is redundant, but I have read it with great interest. Although there may be many previous posts on the crime issue, I don't feel they are as relevant as incidents that have been happening in the current day. (If there were trucks robbed in '04, does that mean it's happening today?)

I have learned a lot and while we won't be there 'til November, I know for sure that I'm going to be extra careful, and the I'm going to double check and be more careful. And then I'm going to have some great dives and a good time.

I'm concerned, but I'm not going to be scared off from some of the best diving on the planet.

Maybe a new Business! The locals could have a group of people that,for a fee, would ride with us in out dive trucks as guards as we dive. Maybe a way to make extra cash and give the Divers a peice of mind while underwater... Ron

Well, not a group but a guy, with an umbrella and a cooler full of drinks. Or a few guys at different sites with drinks and M&M's and chips and goodies and...I would take that job!!! I am surprised it isn't already being done. Maybe o rings and mask cleaner...getting carried away here. ;]

Wayne,
You claim you've lost "hundreds of dollars" of equipment. Some locals have been beaten, or had their faces beaten to a pulp in front of their spouses. Some who live on kunukus inland don't like to leave their women and children alone at night, and lock themselves behind stout gates at sundown.

Tell me, who has the stronger interest in getting this solved?

You don't seem to want to understand that it's not all about you. The people of Bonaire are doing what they realized was needed to be able to deal with this: coming under direct sovereignty of the Netherlands, rather than being the poor step-sister to Curacao where convicted criminals are elected to office.

Maybe there is a fear right now -- but that's because the current situation is not one where they can count on being protected when they stand up to the criminals. That is a result of poor funding and staffing and training in the police department. Holland has earmarked millions of dollars for assistance to Bonaire, and I'm sure that some of that will go towards crime prevention.

You complain about the police abilities when it comes to bringing thieves to justice - why don't you put yourself in the place of people who have to live where these theives live, where the police currently can't cope with them? I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't be screaming out the names of the miscreants either - it could be your wife's face, or your child's... think about it.

When there is a police force in place that's adequate to the job and trained, I'd be willing to bet the honest people of Bonaire will start speaking up against the criminals.

Until then, lock your doors. Don't go off into lala land just because you're on vacation. Pay attention to your surroundings, and notice if it appears someone is "lurking". Don't carry expensive items with you everywhere you go, and leave them in your car - the island is small enough you can go back to your room quickly, and stow them safely.

Is that really so unreasonable?

Dear, dear, dear Roseann. It's me, Ron. Feeling neglected, are we? I've been sitting back and enjoying the show. I don't know why you think that I have some obligation to carry on a running conversation with you or why you cynically think that my silence is somehow incriminating. I joined the fray because I wanted my experience to be known by other divers (the old "forewarned is forearmed" thing) and hoped to get something positive done so that I might consider returning in a few years when it's finally safe. I have real friends that I instead choose to spend my time with online and on the phone, people who commiserate rather than blame me when I'm a victim of what are, duh!, criminals. And believe it or not, I read three novels this weekend. I do not habituate blogs/bulletin boards/chatrooms, so I apologize for my newbie faux pas of not giving you the attention that you seem so badly to need.

The moderators removed a lot of things that I gleaned from what I considered honest, open locals, but I see that other postings have accomplished my purpose of getting such events out into the light of day, my initial concern being that I'd be written off as an isolated case. I was especially interested in moderator Cynde's statement that a big crime ring had been arrested. You can't have that many arrests if there's not a big problem in the first place, now can you? Thus my quote in my profile.

And the remarks about how people are tired of reading postings about crime tell me that it is a big concern or people wouldn't be talking about it as much or as often. For these latter reasons I feel vindicated.

An afterthought: if I have to send a copy of my police report to be believed, shouldn't I expect Cynde to post/send me a copy of dated newspaper article or police news release about the supposed big bust before I believe her? How does it feel to have your veracity questioned, now that the shoe is on the other foot?

In the Dec 1 edition of the Bonaire Reporter it says in my words... that there are two police task forces, one will deal with the hotel room robberies and the other will deal with trying to catch some criminals involved with armed robbery.. several people have been arrested BUT the police have NOT announced that the investigation is over. Apparently the hotel room burglars are focusing on Laptops that can be sold for NAf500 in the Dominican Republic. Police admit they are shorthanded but they are trying to complete the investigations..

I will continue to look for more information regarding this thread ..And Ron it isn't necessary to be rude to Cynde or anyone else for that matter I believe that you owe Cynde an apology she is only doing her job just like I am...

(Message edited by scubahb on February 19, 2007)

Ron, we could do that. We are both former US Marines. We could set a perimeter around the dive trucks with trip flares and claymores. LOL
I have been watching this thread as well. I do not really see the redundancy in it. There is a problem on Bonaire. However, there is no utopia anywhere on this planet. As tourists, coming from the United States, we should know better than any other tourists. God knows we have enough of it here. It would be nice to have a little respite from it on Bonaire. However, that is not reality either.

Your argument is specious: police reports, unlike published news reports, arent public.

You really are just here to rile people up, aren't you? You're nothing but a troll.

Susan please watch the name calling..Thank you

Sarcasm and insinuations that all Bonaire parents are immoral aside, I give credit to the person who started this thread for actually taking action and not returning to Bonaire; for those of you who want to return to Bonaire and are worried about crime I have a suggestion: Go beyond posting your opinions on Bonaire Talk and actually take positive action by emailing your concerns to the Bonaire authorities as others of us(including myself)have done in the past.

Ron, I am glad you feel vindicated. And you know what, you are the only one who I feel is doing the right thing about your unhappiness with Bonaire, that is, not returning. I hope it made you feel better getting your insults out, that kind of pent up stress is no good for anyone. Have a wonderful life!

My recent experiences in knowing about the people and the culture of Bonaire is a result of just two visits, both to the Plaza. In my travels to Bonaire, I would rent a truck and travel from end to end stopping frequently to enjoy the countryside and the towns we would visit. My education regarding Bonaire is also a result of my reading Bonaire Talk for a number of years. My lifetime experience with crime is also a result of living in the USA, being a victim of breaking and entering years ago, and serving on a jury. Additionally, reading the local papers of the Baltimore-Annapolis area educated me regarding the frequency of crime in my home region. I am sorry that Ron became a victim of crime in Bonaire, but it could happen anywhere at any time. As I said previously, where there are people, there will be crime. Although I do not know Ron, I have found that his current home town has a crime rate that is above the national average, but that crime rate appears to be on the decline over the last couple years. I would guess this is a result of more community involvement, greater law enforcement, stricter sentences imposed by judges, and better education and diligence of the towns citizens. I do not fault Ron for feeling violated by the crime that occurred to him in Bonaire, but his own life experiences should have been enough to inform him of what may lie ahead in his world travels. I will return to the Plaza later this year with my family, we will lock our doors when we retire for the evening, and we are thrilled about another visit to the beautiful island of Bonaire. I hope Ron can find beauty in some other part of the world.

Uhm, I'm going to add here that Wayne B. and Ron S. have sent some pretty ungentlemanly private emails to people they don't agree with. Don't know why they'd address complete strangers that way, or if they'd use the same language face to face.
I don't know how that fits into board policy, don't really want to throw gas on the fire, but I thought I'd mention it...
Constance, I love the image of some guy with a cooler and umbrella hanging out at a dive site. Maybe with a little zinc oxide on his nose...

Freddie, if you're there, I'm feeling bad for posting...I can picture you sighing and rolling your eyes when you saw the topic go active again...

"RENT-A-GUARD" I would pay a fee to have one on my shoredive! Ron
Problem soved!

RENT-A GUARDDUDE!, Ron. I want a Guarddude!

My solution? Marry a snorkeler. ;)

A BIIIG snorkeler with a buzz cut, Kelly? With a BIIIIIG soft heart??? Care to rent him out? Just for guard duty!


(Message edited by barbara_gibson on February 19, 2007)

Folks....look crime is everywhere and all a lock is for is to keep an honest man honest. And if it happened at your house do you really think most of your local cops would REALLY care?? Heck I could show your where a couple of cop cars are back in the hills...nothing left on them but, even they won't go get them.

There is a simple solution...... for the right amount of $$$$$

Buy me a plane ticket and get the room next door I can't dive so I'll watch your stuff for 12-15 hours, you buy the Brights, and dinner...heck I will even ride in the back of the P/U and watch your stuff if you want.

Don't take anything on a trip you treasure, or has sentimental value.

Don't trust anybody....look over your shoulder all the time and worry about what might happen if you want...not worth it to me...but that's just me...I refuse to live that way and as long as my family and I are okay then the rest just doesn't really matter.

Just use some common sense and have some fun.
Just my 2 cents
I am not taking sides....just sitting on the fence here on this one.

Ron S. here. Unless I have been in some kind of fugue state, I have not sent any private messages, as you call them, to anyone. Could it have been the other Ron I see above? If this has happened, someone is impersonating me to discredit me, not at all surprising considering many of the things I have read here. Some people just can't handle the truth.

BH, after 12-15 Brights, you'll be watching our stuff twice!

The rest were typing it out about a guard as I was....I love it when that happens...anyhow speaking of Brights I see it's almost four-beer-thirty....everyone be safe and cool....dang the sun will rise tomorrow and if your one of the ones to see it......It's A Darn Good Day.

Peace Out
BH

No, it would be "Rent a Cute Guard". With red shorts... cooler...suntan lotion... towels...water...M&M's...Amstels......Oh, are y'all still reading this?

Barbara "CB" Gibson. Where did you get your information that I had sent a private email to anyone. It is a complete lie and I would be happy to meet you or anyone else face to face and tell them the same thing. The only contact I have had with anyone has been through this thread. How dare you accuse someone of something you know nothing about. As far as the other person you mentioned I can not speak for their actions but I can sure as hell speak for mine.If someone has forward my post they have not been given my permission.

lol... he's my dive sherpa. If we are ever in Bonaire at the same time, he will be happy to carry the heavy stuff and keep watch on the truck. Although he did get swarmed by gnats or something last year at Witch's Hut... when we got out of the water, he was in the truck with the windows up and the AC on ! lol [and of course that was my longest dive of the trip]

Kelly, is there no chance he would learn to dive?
Of course, then you would be in the same boat (ha!) as the rest of us. But you would have a Buddy For Life!

Constance, you forgot the water spritzer bottle...

One time... at Bonaire camp...someone swiped my beer

with the little fan on it! lol!

He can't dive for health reasons, and only snorkeled the first time last year. He loved it !! So it all works out...

Now, Riley on the other hand, will learn to dive as soon as humanly possible. As soon as I can convince Steve that it's okay.. ha ha... I have a few years left for that.

Wally Wally Wally... I'll miss you this trip.

Wally....I like you, Wally......
Kelly, one of my nieces learned to dive, and it was really to share that with her, until she moved midland. I'd been hoping to teach my other niece's daughter to dive, but she's little, almost three, and so far she screams when she gets her hair wet; surf entries may be out of the question, but we'll see...
Oh, I see you leave tomorrow! Have fun!

Ron S. I make an ass out of myself more then I care to! By no means would I make a bigger one out of myself tying to impersonate you!

come on folks, can't we all just get along without the name calling. We are divers we are supposed to be friendly.

24 days and a wake up...

Ok, Here's the deal. I will be on the Island Sept.8th to the 20th. My afternoons will be open. So if you need a really big guard to sit and watch your stuff let me know. I do work for food and drink. My mornings are reserved for my boat diving.

Patrick, you are one hell of a nice guy!

Ronald, as moderators, we have to adhere to HIGHER standards than posters on Bonaire Talk. Even though you did not apologize for pretty much calling me a liar, I accept your apology. I said I would have to look for the post (I have a day job that keeps me pretty busy in order to pay my bills, we get nada for moderating and handling the corporate business of Bonaire Talk). Now that I have THAT off my chest, here is your Link to the thread I mentioned.

OK, now back to playing nice.

I have been a victim of crime numerous times on Bonaire. As soon as I arrive on the island, I swear that someone is stealing the minutes, then the hours, and then the days. Before I know it, my week has been stolen. That's why I am going to stay on Bonaire for 2 weeks this year. That'll teach em!!!
Seriously, I know that crime happens on Bonaire. It happened to some people we know who stayed on the island. It happens in my hometown. It's upsetting, but we need to use common sense. I also know that when people such as hotel staff, law enforcement are not as cooperative as they should be, it compounds the issue. Don't give the thief the opportunity to take. I know it sounds simple, and things can happen despite our best efforts. But a little bit of common sense can go a very long way.

We have just returned from a fabulous trip to Bonaire. I agree with Lisa Z. that common sense can go a very long way. Don't give the thief the opportunity to take. We were on the island for 3 weeks and will be back again in November.

This reminds me of the report I read and then questioned the subject WELL this is for chat about everthing great about Bonaire not about foolishness to leave doors unlocked pleaseeeee.I just came back from a week and my wife is still there,never a problem we leave the car open in town have locked it and left in unlocked both,never a problem. We did'nt hear of anyone else having a problem. However before Bonaire we have been to Jamica will not return, St. Lucia never again BVI maybe again got married there . Anguilla stuffy not friendly and guess what I LOCKED my hotel room door at all those places.Oh yea did I mention I'm home in N.J. getting ready for bed nd I'm going to lock the front door. Ron

A friend of mind is thinking about St. Lucia - I'd be curious to know why you won't return there ron and carol mcneal. Thanks.

I have been to St. Lucia. If anyone wants to feel unsafe, or be around crime, go to the Jump Up at Gros Islet on St. Lucia. It makes Bonaire look like Sesame Street.

Would you dive St. Lucia again Jim?

We only did two dives there Martin, as we were with a lot of family. This was 3 years ago. The problem was that we were staying pretty far up north, above Castires, the capital. We had to take a 45 minute boat ride from Castries down to Dive St. Lucia, which was down by the Grand Tetons. The diving was OK, but nothing spectacular. St. Lucia, being very tropical, has a lot of river run off, especially after a big rain. Hence, it makes the water a bit cloudy. I would not go there to dive again.

I might add that Anse Chastanet, at the Morgan Wyndam? resort was beautiful. I might also add that I played golf on St. Lucia at the most beautiful golf course I ever played. It was an old established British course that was exquisite.

Thanks Jim.

Something funny happened today. I did that 5 day test in Bonaire and no one stole the snorkel out of the back of my truck. Work has me one province over this week and last night someone smashed my side mirror off. I am out 129 dollars. Maybe i should have stayed in "crime infested Bonaire". Haha!

I have stayed at Anse Chastanet. What a great resort. Did several dives. Limited number of dives one can do but would visit again. Vis. was great and reef color was vivid.

Bonaire has as always will be my number one dive area.

Ray

ps: Grand Tetons are in Wyoming

Pitons. Sorry. I knew they were some kind of tons. LOL

Jeez....I thought this thread was dead last week and I pop in after a week and it's still here.

OK... One time...at Bonaire Camp...someone stole my beer. But then Mare fessed up so it's really only borrowed until I catch up with her....then I am really gonna load up her bar tab. I'm going to pound that bar tab to a pulp...and staple it a couple of times...and fold it up like the stinking little paper it is....corwardly little yellow paper bar tab...grrrr

Wally, show it some frontier justice!

I am new to this board and going on my first trip to Bonaire in April. I appreciate knowing about everything, including security issues. I don't understand why so much hostility is coming from all sides rather than the usual dive friendly discussion I've seen on other threads. .

If I had not seen this and previous info, I would never have thought of leaving the rental car unlocked! I would have lost valuables. I imagine that it is because in the US, smashing a car window takes you into the land of felony so petty thieves here go for the unlocked cars. I appreciate learning this!

I have not seen anything on this board that people were accosted and robbed in person, that is the scariest. But this post that a thief entered a room with ppl in it is worrisome.

BTW, the worst crime ridden place I've been to was Jamaica, it's been called the murder capital of the world at times. That's why all the tourist enclaves are heavily guarded and often fenced in. Bonaire sounds like it has a low crime rate and very little violent crime.

All that said. Husband and I are only snorkling but intend to go to many shore places. Given you can't leave anything in the truck, does anyone have recommendations for a *really* waterproof fanny pack or other better gadget to put things in? And any other suggestions welcome!

Diana I just did a keyword search {at the bottom of every BT page} on Fanny Pack and sifted through all the other "fanny" jokes but found this Fanny Packs

BTW welcome to Bonaire Talk
if you haven't done so already please read the posting policies that can be found Here

Freddie, thanks for the welcome and the link.

The aloksak in the thread looks good, I'll get them for use in our current "waterproof" fanny pack that is not really waterproof. Unless someone has another suggestion. I should have said I was looking for something "proven" by being used successfully. That older thread showed we are not alone in finding that most of these things don't work or are a pain to use .

Just look at the economics and unemployment rate for the ABC Islands. What most people drop in cash for a one week vacation, will keep a local family feed for months. If you're an American that is a victim of crime while in a foreign country report it to the local Americal Consulate or Embassy.

Use an underwater flashlight, without batteries, for your drybox.

thanks seb, that might work well

Diana,
You can buy a dry-box from any dive shop or on the web at Leisurepro.com or joediveramerica.com
They run from $8 to $$$ depending on the size. I have one that holds my DL,CC,cash,car keys and it fits into my BC pocket.

Wally,
You must not be so rough on those poor defenseless Bar Tabs. Even though you are joking, you will now have everyone named Alex jumping all over you about your unfair treatment of Bar Tabs. When I come to Bonaire I will help you with those evil Bar Tabs!.....;0)

Just back from spending 2 weeks on island & dove all over the west coast, from north to south. Never a problem with anything. In fact met some very friendly locals (ex divemasters) who pretty much insisted that I take some ice cold beer off their hands & chat with them for awhile. Nothing like an ice cold one after breathing dehydrated air for 50 mins!!

Vince, I have a friend whose name I won't mention but her initials are M.A.R.E who will help with that cold beer...whether you are there are not so I've been told.

Mark...you can be Butch, I'm Sundance naturally...we will tag team those pesky bar tabs...I've heard they can be pretty sneaky late at night

Seb...darn cleaver idea buddy...I unfortunately just tossed one that had a switch that just would not behave consistently....day late and cylindrical dry box short as they say.

Hello there Wally,
MARE here ....
About that pilfered pilsner.
It was almost warm.
I took it to spare you from drinking warm beer.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

There once was a gal named Mare
who had nary a care
She'd steal your beer
from there or from here
and not leave a trace anywhere.

And, might I remind you once again,
the lovely lady Eva helped a bit.
(tee hee)
Mare, who has been very busy lately.

Vince, you drink beer after diving? I've only done that once. Well maybe twice. That's a beautiful thing.

Jim..Between you & me really I very rarely drink beer (except on Bonaire).. I best enjoy 1. After a dive in the tropics an ice cold beer just hits the spot (I know I know.. not proper hydration)...2. Nothing beats a cold beer with a cheeseburger in paradise!

>>> 2. Nothing beats a cold beer with a cheeseburger in paradise!

What about five beers and some snacks. :-)

Peter...Moderation in all things

Hey Peter, that's a catchy phrase
"cheeseburger in paradise"
Could write a song

"cheeseburger in paradise"
There is a restauant on Maui and one on St. Croix with that name! Good burgers... Ron

Speaking of beer - where is the best place to stock up on beer? We are beer drinkers and we'll have a fridge to stock it in. Do all the grocery stores carry beer and wine or you have to go to special store?

Ron
mmmmmmmmmmm cheeseburger in Paradise on Maui--great food, great place to watch people!!

Currently Cultimara has the best price on Polar. 26.50 gulden for a case of the large (meal)size cans vs (snack) size. The next least expensive store we have found is the discount grocery across the street from Warehouse Bonaire. I believe their price is about 2 gulden more.

thanks Sparty! Our trip to Bonaire is a long one, all we'll want to do when we get there is kick back on the beach and have a few cold beers .

Hi Ron:
After being a victim of violence in Bonaire last year I went to Becquia in the Grenadines this Christmas and New Years and it was fabulous.Will probably return to Bonaire after the Netherlands improves the police force but not before. Miss a lot of the people there in Bonaire.
Jane

Jane, I have been a victim in my life and understand how hard it is to rid yourself of that vonerable feeling.
We live in northwest Indiana next to Gary,IN. and Chicago, II. The news speaks of shootings everyday! Robery is around us all the time and burglary is a common happining.
We feel safer on Bonaire then at home. From your profile, it dosen't say where you live in the States, but I am sure that your local news is far worse then what happens on Bonaire.
If you allow yourself to be intimadated by the rufians around us then they have won! I know! You are saying that it is easy for me to say! I didn't experiance what you did! That is true Jane. But let me close in saying that I still have nightmares from the Veit Nam war as I was a POW for 16 months 41 years ago and it seems like yesterday.
I hope this exchange has helped a little, and hope to meet you someday on Bonaire... Ron

God Bless you Ron Gould!

From one Veteran to another; Thank you for your service to our country.

Ron, POW for 16 months? I had no idea...I cannot imagine you would ever get over that experience, or be able to wash it from your mind. I agree with Mark, God bless you Ron...

Ron, Thank you from the bottom of my heart....

This thread is being closed as it keeps going off topic.